Must silent Your Alternate Sell on Amazon?

It’s a jam going by plot of extra and extra brands: Must silent your enterprise promote on Amazon?

It’s the most visited e-commerce platform in the U.S. and the dominant retailer in 28 other worldwide locations. But that stretch comes at a price. Harvard Alternate College partner professor Ayelet Israeli says there are downsides for many Amazon sellers, like payments, competitors, and the shortcoming of expertise.

On this episode, Israeli provides a scorecard that can well enable you to raise, miniature by miniature, whether or not the Amazon marketplace is appropriate to your enterprise.

Key episode topics encompass: strategy, innovation, leadership, scaling, Jeff Bezos, long-term thinking, customer focal point.

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It’s a jam going by plot of extra and extra brands: must silent you promote on Amazon? It’s the most visited e-commerce platform in the U.S. and the dominant retailer in 28 other worldwide locations.

But that stretch comes at a price. Harvard Alternate College partner professor Ayelet Israeli says there are downsides for many sellers – like payments, competitors, and the shortcoming of expertise.

On this episode, Israeli provides a “scorecard” that can well enable you to raise, miniature by miniature, whether or not the Amazon marketplace is appropriate to your enterprise.

This episode at the open aired on HBR IdeaCast in August 2022. Right here it’s.

CURT NICKISCH: Welcome to the HBR IdeaCast from Harvard Alternate Evaluate. I’m Curt Nickisch.

It’s a jam going by plot of extra and extra brands this display day. Must silent you promote your items on Amazon? First and most valuable look, the resolution must be certain, appropriate? Amazon is the most visited e-commerce platform in the united states. Two-thirds of U.S. customers initiate their product search on Amazon. Plus, it’s the dominant retailer in 28 other worldwide locations. And it grew so nice due to its success tempo and quality of the buying trip. How are you able to assure no to that that roughly attain?

Turns out, there are a form of causes. There’s payments. There’s extra competitors, even from Amazon itself. After which there’s the suggestions and feedback from customers you hand over by not selling straight. What is a brand to originate? Our customer instantly time is here to lend a hand companies which can be struggling with that resolution.

Ayelet Israeli is an partner professor at Harvard Alternate College. Along alongside side her HBS colleagues Leonard Schlesinger and Matt Higgins, to boot to consultant Sabir Semerkant, she wrote the HBR article “Must silent Your Company Sell on Amazon?”

Ayelet, how are you? Thanks for coming on the point to.

AYELET ISRAELI: I’m nice. Thank you so indispensable for having me.

CURT NICKISCH: Now, you write to your article that, “Every brand must silent to find into consideration selling on Amazon.” Why?

AYELET ISRAELI: In the decade or so that I’ve been researching retail, every person mentions Amazon in the end. In the sooner days, corporations in general had a undeniable or no, very clear slash encourage strategy. And this display day, we hear extra about what’s your Amazon strategy somewhat than must silent you be on Amazon or not.

Amazon is merely so nice. I mediate the latest estimates I’ve seen is that roughly 40% of all on-line retail in the U.S. is on Amazon. So, it’s quite large. After which we’ve seen in latest years moreover the amplify in e-commerce in in vogue and how crucial it’s for brands to bear their enjoy on-line presence so that customers can safe them, which makes Amazon the most valuable consideration because try and be somewhere on-line, or not you need to attend your customers. And Amazon does the kind of nice job in both having customers merely about the to find residing, to boot to giving them improbable carrier. So, therefore every brand must silent, no not up to, to find into consideration if they’re going to also be on Amazon or not.

CURT NICKISCH: This entire debate jogs my memory a form of debates in the previous of nice field outlets like Walmart in the united states. Love whereas you bear been a consumer items product, you in general wanted to be there, appropriate? But these very similar corporations in actuality complained about merely how indispensable the margins purchased squeezed. They in actuality lamented how exhausting they’d to preserve driving payments down and never taking half in better earnings because Walmart made them originate it.

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah, and it’s a extremely similar fable, the suitable incompatibility is merely the to find presence. So, Walmart is mindless to assure, silent an grand retailer in the U.S., but their on-line presence out of total U.S. e-commerce gross sales, Walmart is roughly 5% to 6%. So, they’re indispensable smaller than Amazon whereas you mediate on-line presence.

But they’re silent a nice player and brands silent bear the struggles where they genuinely trace that in expose to be where customers are buying for you, in the U.S., about two thirds of product searches initiate on Amazon somewhat than on engines like google and yahoo. So, that plot most customers don’t even go to Google or Bing or a search engine where they’re buying for something, they merely straight go to Amazon. And therefore, whereas you would per chance well be not there and whereas you’re not a brand that folks positively wish to catch, then you definately almost actually are not going to be found by the majority of customers.

CURT NICKISCH: But this moreover comes at a nice risk too, appropriate? What are about a of the pinnacle line complaints about Amazon, if folks primitive to complain about margins getting squeezed at Walmart?

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah. So, positively margins getting squeezed is one amongst the nice ones, especially this display day when Amazon is doing lots extra in phrases of advertising. I mediate closing year, their revenues from advertising bear been roughly $31 billion and so that they’re growing these revenues. They bear got a extremely large media platform. They can insist not merely the retail fragment of Amazon, but moreover Amazon Video or Amazon Song and other channels for their advertising. And so, not most attention-grabbing you derive squeezed on margins in the same gentle plot like Walmart primitive to originate it, but you moreover bear additional payments in phrases of advertising. You bewitch to must be featured in the to find residing in a prominent residing, you have to so as to be the first brand in the buy field where consumers look you because the default brand. And for all of this stuff, you genuinely bear to resign about a of your margins.

CURT NICKISCH: Now, your article has a terribly thorough scorecard which that you simply would per chance apply. Must you’re a brand, that you simply would per chance resolution questions and ranking whether you desires to be selling on Amazon or not. So, let’s battle by plot of the important thing advantages of advertising on Amazon and about a of the concerns there.

AYELET ISRAELI: One among the issues that we to find into consideration rather then margin, which we merely talked about is the product class. Obviously, there are some classes that you simply merely cannot promote on-line.

CURT NICKISCH: Pretty straightforward resolution whereas you’re selling tobacco, appropriate? Yeah.

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah, exactly. There are moreover classes that bear suffered from what we name commoditization. No doubt, being on Amazon became them, even if they weren’t even handed by consumers as commodities before, became them into full commodities. Because that you simply would per chance look so many brands and even unknown brands and sellers promote a version of this product. They’re all aspect by aspect. They roughly stare the same. There could be not a nice differentiator. After which you’re in general price browsing and brooding about that all the pieces is roughly the same, which turns every product into almost a commodity and never a brand. And therefore, whereas you’re in a extremely commoditized market, it’s exhausting to stand out on a platform like Amazon’s.

CURT NICKISCH: Are batteries an instance of this? Since you search AA, form of an odd battery in the united states there on Amazon and to boot you derive name brands, but you derive a form of competitors you wouldn’t even to find out about. And also you moreover bear Amazon Basics brand competing aspect by aspect.

AYELET ISRAELI: Yes. So, Amazon has a form of non-public designate brands. One among them is named Amazon Basics that you simply just mentioned, and batteries is a class where Amazon Basics did phenomenally nicely and used to be in a position to derive consumers to catch their batteries. Their batteries are as factual as others and consumers merely purchased into it. Genuine a pair of weeks previously, Amazon supplied that they’re going to think again their non-public designate strategy. So, that would moreover merely swap over time. But one ingredient that is inviting for me as any person that researchers retail and in particular on-line retail is how issues continuously swap. And it’s the same with Amazon.

CURT NICKISCH: Now, you’ve purchased to be what you’re shipping, appropriate? Because Amazon has, for many individuals, in actuality amazing shipping carrier and there are millions of Prime individuals. So, folks that can well expose something and bear the promise of getting it delivered at free of fee with that membership within a pair of days. But whereas you’re selling stuff that’s exhausting to ship, or if it’s oddly sized or desires customization, that turns into extra of an field.

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah, and that’s going to fee you a nice amount extra. Now, unnecessary to assure, whereas you’ve never developed a model to ship your product and to boot you most attention-grabbing worked by plot of distributors, then maybe Amazon resolution could well give you the results you want whereas you would per chance well bear got sold on-line and one other platform.

CURT NICKISCH: And why? Genuine because you’re primitive to paying any individual to ship it for you genuinely?

AYELET ISRAELI: Yes.

CURT NICKISCH: Okay.

AYELET ISRAELI: Yes. So, there are differences. As an illustration, whereas you’re selling ice cream or something that requires refrigeration, you most continuously work with distribution that has trucks which can be freezers and issues like that. And converting that into selling on-line is a miniature bit tougher because now it’s not merely an grand truck going to a bodily retailer or going from and to a warehouse, but somewhat or not you need to ship to particular person consumers, or not you need to bear particular person solutions from them. Possibly they’ll’t buy it up appropriate away whereas you bring it, so that you simply have to some roughly freezer. So, all of these are additional payments that would moreover merely be indispensable dearer than shipping by plot of a longtime gentle distribution system.

CURT NICKISCH: Yeah, because fragment of what makes Amazon so fee efficient is that they standardize a form of that.

AYELET ISRAELI: Factual. So, whereas you would per chance well bear got a product that can even be entirely customary and insist the customary bins, customary shipping, you’ll bear a indispensable more straightforward time than with complex merchandise. In an identical blueprint, merchandise which can be highly custom-made, you have to to match for every particular person shopper are going to be tougher on Amazon because they’re, like you said, they merely work with extra customary merchandise with issues that can well match mass market. You merely maintain one, and that’s it.

CURT NICKISCH: This brand ask is attention-grabbing, appropriate? Since you would per chance well bear got to know whether… I don’t know, it looks as if you would per chance well bear got to know how differentiated your product is and how solid your brand is before you promote on Amazon, because you would per chance well bear got the probability of, if it’s not solid ample or it doesn’t stand aside ample, that you simply would per chance in actuality dilute your brand.

AYELET ISRAELI: Fully. There could be that this attention-grabbing conundrum here where if I’m a nice ample brand and that I bear ample customers that like me and will go to my web residing anyway, then I don’t must be on Amazon because my customers will safe me and buy my product. At the same time, I’m a solid ample brand that can well in actuality continue to exist on Amazon. So, I will originate both issues, appropriate?

We bear examples of thoroughly identified brands that bear done nicely even being on Amazon. As an illustration, Apple. We produce other brands like Nike that bear piloted selling on Amazon and merely decided to quit the platform after a pair of years and as a replace affect and double down on their enjoy bellow-to-shopper channels and never insist Amazon.

AYELET ISRAELI: And so, fragment of the ask can even be, what number of customers would in actuality bewitch my brand over other brands, and even an Amazon in vogue brand, like we talked about earlier with batteries? Possibly there are some consumers that genuinely mediate in Duracell or Energizer, and that’s what they’re going to catch no matter the cost, no matter the selections. But a form of alternative consumers are only going to pronounce, “Batteries are only batteries. It has the Amazon name, it’s potentially factual ample, and that’s what I’m going to make insist of.” So, or not you need to figure out where you stand as a brand and whether that you simply would per chance in actuality deal with solid on Amazon or be entirely diluted.

CURT NICKISCH: Anytime you be half of a brand unique platform, try and agonize or listen to opinions, appropriate? How many stars you would per chance well bear got. And whereas you haven’t sold on Amazon before and if your merchandise don’t bear listings or opinions but, what originate or not you need to mediate by plot of?

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah. You will want to figure out how originate I derive opinions, appropriate?

CURT NICKISCH: Yeah. It’s attention-grabbing, Amazon is moreover very careful that folks don’t juice their opinions and so that they bear got a form of restrictions about how you catch opinions.

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah. So not too long previously, they in actuality had most valuable crackdown of improper opinions and moreover Fb teams that pay folks for opinions and issues like that. You’re positively not allowed to pay to your opinions and to boot that you simply would per chance not provide a free product to your opinions. Though I mediate all of us as customers bear seen brands originate that? No doubt the ask is then, how originate I derive opinions? Because opinions are so great. And there are about a solutions for that.

One among them in actuality Amazon itself present. Must you would per chance well bear got utterly about a opinions, Amazon has a program known as Amazon Vine, where they ship free product to their most relied on reviewers in expose to overview these unique merchandise and enable you to initiate on the platform. There are moreover third-birthday party corporations that contact your folks or your customers after they purchased the product and keep a ask to for a overview. The root is to be sure the person in actuality purchased the product and never give them the leisure in alternate for the overview.

But one more phenomena I bear seen is brands taking half in a miniature bit with the cost. So, reducing the cost so that folks would buy their product in step with low price. After which oldsters then would write opinions. And after they bear got ample opinions, they’d in actuality amplify the cost and be in a position to thrive on the platform.

CURT NICKISCH:  I suggest, I purchased something on Amazon not too long previously and I spotted that for this item that used to be being sold, below it, it says, “Imprint:” and it used to be the name of the firm. And also that you simply would per chance click on that theoretically to peep merchandise of the replace firm, other merchandise from the same firm. But it in actuality went to 1 other firm that used to be making a distinct product, but a firm that had the same name or the same fragment of the name. So, it used to be listed incorrectly.

AYELET ISRAELI: Factual.

CURT NICKISCH: No doubt messy, appropriate?

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah.

CURT NICKISCH: For that brand. And I did wonder, are they doing this themselves? Are in actuality managing this and paying attention to this, or are these third-birthday party sellers who’ve merely purchased these merchandise and are reselling them on Amazon? What’s happening here?

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah. So, we glance, the technical term is merely a huge amount of how when brands first initiate out on Amazon, especially if they weren’t there before, because there are all these savvy sellers which can be in a position to safe their product for a more affordable price, maybe a retailer went out of enterprise and sells it to them or something like that, and then they go and promote on-line below a bunch of different names. You’ll safe for one explicit product, like 10 different versions.

CURT NICKISCH: Factual. Factual.

AYELET ISRAELI: All of them stare prefer it’s the same brand, but it’s most life like to silent not bear any thought what to originate with this. But folks roughly buy. Now when a brand then sees that, it plot that you simply would per chance well bear got to deal with this mess, but it plot that there is moreover not not up to about a seek info from to your brand on the platform.

And what we’ve seen is when brand in actuality try and neat this up by either selling straight on Amazon or opening their enjoy storefront on Amazon, they’re in a position to neat up the selections. No doubt form an Amazon retailer, which is a residing where there could be some recordsdata about the brand, but moreover all the brand’s product are displayed in a model that tells the fable of the brand, makes it very clear to the customers what they’re buying.

CURT NICKISCH: Yeah, especially for something like, I don’t know, shoes or issues that bear a form of different sizes. Equivalent to you would per chance well well presumably moreover merely, in a search, safe the horrid one, but then you definately roughly land in the retailer and to boot you’re in that universe taking a go desirous to safe the suitable one that you simply’re buying for.

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah, and we’ve seen this even with sweet that has many replace flavors or something like that. So, it can well well be the leisure. But what we glance that happens is that these sellers that I mentioned earlier, the opportunistic sellers, once they give the impact of being that the brand took ownership, they roughly encourage down and so that they then transfer to a distinct opportunistic replace in phrases of something else to promote on the platform.

CURT NICKISCH: Let’s discuss about something that is merely a key, key consideration and one amongst the nice causes that many corporations settle to not promote by plot of Amazon, and that’s recordsdata. In the up to date age, as a enterprise, you catch customer recordsdata and to boot you derive a form of insights about how customers insist issues by seeing who buys it and how they insist it and what opinions they originate and what other functions there are. All of this info is extremely precious to you as a maker of issues. Right here, Amazon is the one who’s in actuality amassing that recordsdata and isn’t necessarily amassing and sharing it with you the vogue that you simply would per chance well well presumably like. So, what’s almost the amount of recordsdata that you simply derive from Amazon from whereas you’re selling there and is that this something that you simply would per chance negotiate with them? What are the nice recordsdata concerns?

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah. In many ways, selling to Amazon is like selling to any retailer where if here is your distribution channel, you’re selling to them for a price. what number of orders came in, you know when or not you need to enjoy up, but any other recordsdata would require additional services and products from Amazon. You unnecessary to assure can look the public opinions on the to find residing. You’ll positively hear from them if there bear been any points, but all the pieces else is roughly, you don’t know.

Must you would per chance well be a gentle brand that never sold straight to customers, you never knew this info. So, if I sold no matter, a CPG product to Walmart and Design and all these offline stores, I moreover didn’t know the leisure. I knew what time of the month I bear to return and provides them merchandise. I knew if there bear been returns, I knew if there bear been points, but I never knew the identification of single customers.

On the replace hand, we now bear got brands, especially digitally native brands, but not most attention-grabbing that continuously had bellow relationship with the customers. A few of them are brands like Gap that continuously operated their enjoy stores and sold bellow and had roughly a loyalty program, a Gap card, you discovered about your customers. A few of them are these unique DTC brands that look the shopper settle on on their web residing, leaves opinions. They deal with they add to cart. After they leave, they’ll nudge them, they’ll discuss over with them-

CURT NICKISCH: Give them e-newsletter, ship them coupons. Yeah, all that stuff, appropriate?

AYELET ISRAELI: Precisely. And all of these roughly loyalty form programs are what we mediate as roughly relational advertising or all the pieces is a relationship and never merely a transactional ingredient. Whereas, whereas you’ve never done bellow distribution, then Amazon is merely akin to you knew before.

So fragment of the ask is de facto, what originate you care about as a brand? And it would moreover merely not matter to you. But we’ve seen in latest years, how crucial recordsdata is. And about a of the trends that we’ve seen in outlets in the previous couple of years as they affect their retail media network and advertising is moreover selling aggregate phases of recordsdata to give you some insights about customers in in vogue.

Some objects of recordsdata that Amazon provides to brands is in actuality not about their customers, but somewhat on performance on the to find residing. So, which competitors come up when folks look your brand, how most continuously you would per chance well be in the pinnacle searches, what folks look. Issues like that, which can be supposed to enable you to better arrange the platform, but much less recordsdata about customers.

CURT NICKISCH: Yeah. It strikes me that you simply with regards to bear to bear like SEO and a gross sales and advertising team that is de facto targeted on the platform. Equivalent to that you simply would per chance’t merely-

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah, not almost.

CURT NICKISCH: Yeah.

AYELET ISRAELI: Positively.

CURT NICKISCH: Yeah, appropriate, yeah.

AYELET ISRAELI: There’s a entire Amazon SEO class where you would per chance well bear got to figure out. Because genuinely, it’s like a search engine merely for product. And like we said earlier, a form of customers initiate their search there. So, try so as to originate that and take a look at so as to appear as indispensable as conceivable for searches.

CURT NICKISCH: That’s attention-grabbing. I heard not too long previously from any individual in non-public equity and so that they bear been a firm that used to be selling on Amazon and so that they realized after they bear been taking a look rather at how they bear been selling there, that they bear been lacking a nice replace. And that used to be one amongst the explanations that they went forward and acquired this non-public firm because they belief they’ll originate a better job of advertising than that non-public firm used to be doing. I bet I’m an extraordinarily good deal surprised a miniature bit that Amazon doesn’t present extra recordsdata as a carrier.

AYELET ISRAELI: They would well well be selling these services and products, I don’t know.

CURT NICKISCH: Yeah, and even doing extra so in the longer term, yeah.

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah. But what we’ve seen corporations for which the relational narrate is serious for originate is try and silent incite customers to transfer to their web residing, be half of for their e-newsletter, or issues like that, that can well well silent conclude the loop and connect the shopper straight with the brand.

CURT NICKISCH: It is doubtless you’ll well be in a position to silent keep a card in the equipment.

AYELET ISRAELI: It is doubtless you’ll well be in a position to silent keep a card in the equipment. Warranties is something of the previous I mediate, but maybe that works for some folks. Possibly you bellow them they’ll derive original choices if they seek the advice of alongside with your web residing, and even that you simply would per chance originate something with packaging and merely entice folks to transfer.

But one more strategy we’ve seen is brands in actuality having most attention-grabbing a subset of their assortment on Amazon. After which if I in actuality bear the good thing about the product and I wish to catch an identical one, I could well then search a miniature bit extra and safe the to find residing with one other assortment that I can buy from. So, we’ve seen about a concepts of easy try and derive folks to silent go to your web residing and genuinely insist Amazon extra as a discovery platform where they scrutinize your brand. But then for the right kind relationship, we need them to transfer to our web residing.

CURT NICKISCH: What firm did that or what corporations bear you ever seen merely keep a mortgage product or merely a bunch of merchandise for sale on Amazon, but then the paunchy offering is where they’re handling the connection and managing the lifetime customer fee?

AYELET ISRAELI: Yeah. So, one brand we’ve seen that did this pleasing nicely is named Magic Spoon. They promote cereal.

CURT NICKISCH: Swiftly disclosure here. One among your co-authors on the article is an investor in Magic Spoon. Cereal appears to be like prefer it on the entire is a commoditized ingredient. You keep that up for sale and to boot you place something with an identical field subsequent to it and to boot you’re in effort, appropriate?

AYELET ISRAELI: Factual. So, Magic Spoon has a excessive-protein cereal and so that they’re one amongst these DTC brands that developed a uncommon stare and packaging and something resplendent like that. They started out merely selling on their web residing, DTC. They genuinely sold paunchy measurement bins of cereal there.

After they first started on Amazon, what they did is they created a single attend version and so that they most attention-grabbing sold these on Amazon, which is de facto what I merely used to be talking about, about you scrutinize the product on Amazon, you just derive a taste. Deem about sampling in a Costco or a Walmart in the bodily world. After which whereas you actually wish to catch it, whereas you have to to catch the paunchy measurement, you would per chance well well presumably bear to battle by plot of their web residing. I mediate now they moreover promote paunchy sizes on Amazon, but what they originate on their web residing is they bear got special flavors, unique merchandise, extra of an revolutionary lab of latest cereal that they’re offering so that consumers will silent wish to transfer to their web residing and never merely buy them on Amazon.

CURT NICKISCH: I’m outlandish, you’ve developed this scorecard and to boot you’ve worked with corporations which can be obsessed on selling on Amazon or not and to boot you know, resolution these form of questions. Is there a pattern to the kind of corporations that originate wish to promote on Amazon versus these that don’t? Does the size of your firm in actuality matter? I’m merely outlandish how you look about a of this breaking down or is it in actuality merely a case-by-case foundation?

AYELET ISRAELI: I mediate it’s in actuality a case-by-case foundation. And I mediate the resolution goes to be entirely different in step with how nicely the firm has been doing in phrases of its brand and differentiation as we’ve mentioned, how its present distribution mannequin works, how nicely originate they in actuality implement brand and preserve a watch on their distribution. Obviously, how indispensable margin they bear got. And all of here is entirely particular person for each and each firm. So, it’s in actuality exhausting to pronounce or to acknowledge clear patterns.

One ingredient we’ve seen is that very excessive-stop luxurious corporations tend to deal with a ways off from Amazon and affect their enjoy sites. Part of that is as a result of commoditization field, which can be full reverse from what you have to in a luxurious trip. And fragment of it’s moreover to double down on what luxurious plot. The similar residing where you buy your lavatory paper and your Tide detergent or no matter you’re subscribe and attach, is presumably not the same residing that you simply in actuality would actually like to catch a brand unique Rolex, appropriate?

CURT NICKISCH: Factual, appropriate. Yeah, exactly. I will look that. What’s the superb false impact about selling on Amazon that you simply in actuality would actually like to resolve for corporations?

AYELET ISRAELI: I mediate that folks are most continuously so obsessed on the fact that Amazon, there are almost three billion visits a month on the platform. So indispensable traffic on the platform. So many customers that you simply would per chance potentially derive and folks mediate that, but a wanted narrate of Amazon from inception has been how customer obsessed they’re and how they originate a platform to cater to customers, to bear the finest carrier, the finest trip. And that’s why folks roughly deal with there. So, it’s not with regards to the competitors or about the need of customers, but moreover here is where they wish to be. And each firm desires to be where the customers are. And at the pinnacle of the day, you meet your customers where they’re. It is doubtless you’ll well be in a position to’t persuade them to catch in other areas if they don’t wish to. So, it’s almost like you have to that stretch, but it’s not with regards to traffic, it’s extra than that. It’s the replace services and products that Amazon provides to consumers, which make us adore it as consumers, but dread about it as brands.

CURT NICKISCH: Ayelet, this has been in actuality, in actuality provocative and precious I’m certain to many listeners accessible. Thanks for talking by plot of this with us.

AYELET ISRAELI: Thank you so indispensable for having me.

HANNAH BATES: That used to be Harvard Alternate College partner professor Ayelet Israeli in dialog with Curt Nickisch on HBR IdeaCast.

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